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Re: Vilka nationella eller regionala åtgärder mot coronavirus är evidensbaserade?

Postat: tis 06 apr 2021, 10:31
av dann
■■ Ett år in på pandemin finns fortfarande många frågor utan svar. Har Sverige bytt strategi? Varför var vi så oförberedda – och varför dröjde vi så länge med åtgärder?
■■ I en serie artiklar gör Emanuel Karlsten en ettårskontroll av Sveriges hantering av pandemin. Genom intervjuer och granskning av utbegärda mejl går vi till botten med vad som hänt under kritiska perioder.
■■ Det här är del 1: De sena åtgärderna.
Sverige var sist med åtgärder – för att FHM inte tror att det hjälper (Expressen, April 6, 2021)

Re: Vilka nationella eller regionala åtgärder mot coronavirus är evidensbaserade?

Postat: ons 07 apr 2021, 12:19
av Nemesis
This week, New Zealand marked the one year anniversary of their first lockdown.

They listened to science, acted hard, and moved fast.

On the anniversary, Jacinda Ardern spoke to her people. She didn't boast, or take any credit.

She just wanted to say thank you.

https://twitter.com/Goodable/status/1377280884349538313
Se videon i länken. En helt annan nivå än Löfven, Tegnell, och resten av gänget här.

Re: Vilka nationella eller regionala åtgärder mot coronavirus är evidensbaserade?

Postat: ons 07 apr 2021, 13:52
av Nemesis
7. april 2021 kl. 12:48 Vurderer Zero Covid-strategi FHI og Helsedirektoratet legger fram «Zero Covid» som et mulig alternativ for Norge framover. I et nytt oppdragssvar som ble publisert i dag, skriver de at de vil utsette beslutningen om en helt ny strategi til man vet mer. «Valget i Norge framover er derfor mellom et forsøk på eliminering (altså insidens på null) og en fortsettelse av dagens strategi som har som mål å holde epidemien under kontroll på et nokså lavt nivå (altså en insidens trygt under et nivå som ikke overbelaster helsetjenesten)", skriver de.

Re: Vilka nationella eller regionala åtgärder mot coronavirus är evidensbaserade?

Postat: ons 07 apr 2021, 15:02
av Nemesis
Science Brief: SARS-CoV-2 and Surface (Fomite) Transmission for Indoor Community Environments

People can be infected with SARS-CoV-2 through contact with surfaces. However, based on available epidemiological data and studies of environmental transmission factors, surface transmission is not the main route by which SARS-CoV-2 spreads, and the risk is considered to be low. The principal mode by which people are infected with SARS-CoV-2 is through exposure to respiratory droplets carrying infectious virus. In most situations, cleaning surfaces using soap or detergent, and not disinfecting, is enough to reduce risk. Disinfection is recommended in indoor community settings where there has been a suspected or confirmed case of COVID-19 within the last 24 hours. The risk of fomite transmission can be reduced by wearing masks consistently and correctly, practicing hand hygiene, cleaning, and taking other measures to maintain healthy facilities.
FHM gör fel som framhåller handtvätt som särskilt viktigt mot Covid, och förnekar att viruset är luftburet.

Re: Vilka nationella eller regionala åtgärder mot coronavirus är evidensbaserade?

Postat: ons 07 apr 2021, 15:27
av dann
Nemesis skrev:
ons 07 apr 2021, 13:52
7. april 2021 kl. 12:48 Vurderer Zero Covid-strategi FHI og Helsedirektoratet legger fram «Zero Covid» som et mulig alternativ for Norge framover. I et nytt oppdragssvar som ble publisert i dag, skriver de at de vil utsette beslutningen om en helt ny strategi til man vet mer. «Valget i Norge framover er derfor mellom et forsøk på eliminering (altså insidens på null) og en fortsettelse av dagens strategi som har som mål å holde epidemien under kontroll på et nokså lavt nivå (altså en insidens trygt under et nivå som ikke overbelaster helsetjenesten)", skriver de.
I don't find the sentence beginning with "Valget i Norge framover er derfor mellom et forsøk på eliminering (altså insidens på null) ..." in the report, i.e. "i et nytt oppdragssvar," that the short NRK.no article links to, but I have found it in a couple of other articles. Unfortunately, it is not something that they consider in the current pandemic:
Helsedirektør Bjørn Guldvog sier strategien er mer aktuell neste gang vi står overfor en pandemi.
– Jeg tror når vi planlegger for neste pandemi, vil vi se på muligheten for en Zero- eller null-strategi, som vi har sett i blant annet New Zealand og Australia. Vi har valgt en litt annen innretning og har vel ikke vurdert det som realistisk med et linjeskifte nå, men det kunne diskuteres, sier Guldvog.
Vurderte å eliminere viruset med full nedstenging i 5 uker (NRK.no, April 7, 2021)
... "men det kunne diskuteres" doesn't sound as if it has been seriously considered.

Re: Vilka nationella eller regionala åtgärder mot coronavirus är evidensbaserade?

Postat: ons 07 apr 2021, 15:38
av dann
Nemesis skrev:
ons 07 apr 2021, 15:02
Science Brief: SARS-CoV-2 and Surface (Fomite) Transmission for Indoor Community Environments

People can be infected with SARS-CoV-2 through contact with surfaces. However, based on available epidemiological data and studies of environmental transmission factors, surface transmission is not the main route by which SARS-CoV-2 spreads, and the risk is considered to be low. The principal mode by which people are infected with SARS-CoV-2 is through exposure to respiratory droplets carrying infectious virus. In most situations, cleaning surfaces using soap or detergent, and not disinfecting, is enough to reduce risk. Disinfection is recommended in indoor community settings where there has been a suspected or confirmed case of COVID-19 within the last 24 hours. The risk of fomite transmission can be reduced by wearing masks consistently and correctly, practicing hand hygiene, cleaning, and taking other measures to maintain healthy facilities.
FHM gör fel som framhåller handtvätt som särskilt viktigt mot Covid, och förnekar att viruset är luftburet.
No, less than 10,000 isn't much. You have to fondle an awful lot of doorknobs to make that happen, and we don't usually touch many of those anymore. The doors of most food stores open automatically, we don't use public phone booths anymore, and we don't even have to touch anything other than our own cell phones or credit cards when we pay for stuff.
Findings of these studies suggest that the risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection via the fomite transmission route is low, and generally less than 1 in 10,000, which means that each contact with a contaminated surface has less than a 1 in 10,000 chance of causing an infection

Re: Vilka nationella eller regionala åtgärder mot coronavirus är evidensbaserade?

Postat: ons 07 apr 2021, 19:35
av Nemesis
Three faces of Tegnell:

1. To Swedish media: Children don't spread the virus
2. To foreign media: Parents would stay at home and it's 20% of the workforce
3. Leaked emails: Children are good spreaders and we can reach herd immunity faster

https://twitter.com/JoannaTeglund/statu ... 2126900238
Om man känner sig tvungen att agera på detta sätt så kan det tyda på att man inte har en evidensbaserad strategi.

Re: Vilka nationella eller regionala åtgärder mot coronavirus är evidensbaserade?

Postat: tor 08 apr 2021, 06:54
av dann
Nemesis skrev:
ons 07 apr 2021, 19:35
Three faces of Tegnell:

1. To Swedish media: Children don't spread the virus
2. To foreign media: Parents would stay at home and it's 20% of the workforce
3. Leaked emails: Children are good spreaders and we can reach herd immunity faster

https://twitter.com/JoannaTeglund/statu ... 2126900238
Om man känner sig tvungen att agera på detta sätt så kan det tyda på att man inte har en evidensbaserad strategi.
I find #2 particularly interesting:
Tegnell to foreign media:
“If children don’t go to school their parents need to stay at home and we know of economic calculations that have been given to us that then about 20% of the workforce disappears from the Swedish work market”
Joanna Teglund on Twitter (April 4, 2021)
It was never about freedom as such, about the people of Sweden simply being too rebellious to be locked down. It was always about the economy, about the employers' unrestricted access to their workforce.
This also explains how countries with Neo-liberalist leaders have fared worse than others in this epidemic, except for those with outright fascists as leaders. In some countries they aren't easy to tell apart.

Re: Vilka nationella eller regionala åtgärder mot coronavirus är evidensbaserade?

Postat: tor 08 apr 2021, 08:19
av Anders G
Barn har i stort sett fram till nu ("engelska mutationen") inte insjuknat, varit sjukfrånvarande eller i någon större utsträckning spridit infektionen. Det är bara att se på sjukfrånvaron.
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Re: Vilka nationella eller regionala åtgärder mot coronavirus är evidensbaserade?

Postat: tor 08 apr 2021, 11:03
av dann
Do you have any numbers to back up your claim?
What exactly is meant by "i stort sett", "fram till nu ("engelska mutationen")", "någon större utsträckning"?
Does "fram till nu" mean when the B.1.1.7. variant first appeared in Sweden? Or does it mean when it became dominant?
How do you know how much children "har ... spridit infektionen" at a time when hardly anybody was tested?

Re: Vilka nationella eller regionala åtgärder mot coronavirus är evidensbaserade?

Postat: tor 08 apr 2021, 11:06
av dann
Påståendet att alpresenärerna spelade liten roll för smittspridningen är ännu ett led i Folkhälsomyndighetens bekväma berättelse om det egna ansvaret. Men sanningen är att vi inte vet något om omfattningen över huvud taget, skriver Benjamin Kalischer Wellander, ST-läkare och krönikör i Bulletin.
Historierevisionism om coronahanteringen (Bulletin, April 7-8, 2021

Re: Vilka nationella eller regionala åtgärder mot coronavirus är evidensbaserade?

Postat: tor 08 apr 2021, 13:09
av Anders G
Gör dig inte dummare än nödvändigt, Pladder-Dann.

Re: Vilka nationella eller regionala åtgärder mot coronavirus är evidensbaserade?

Postat: tor 08 apr 2021, 15:31
av DK
Anders har missat att barn i mycket större utsträckning har milda eller inga symtom, men nu har han iaf gett något argument för sin tro. Framsteg.

Re: Vilka nationella eller regionala åtgärder mot coronavirus är evidensbaserade?

Postat: tor 08 apr 2021, 16:40
av dann
He also missed that children weren't tested even even if they did have symptoms unless they got severely ill. I first became aware of this when Thunberg described how she and her father got ill and didn't know if it was from SARS-CoV-2 or not:
Greta Thunberg says she and her father have Covid-19 symptoms and that it's "extremely likely" she contracted the coronavirus. "We who don’t belong to a risk group have an enormous responsibility," she said on Instagram, noting that they were in isolation.
NYT on Twitter (March 24, 2020)

Re: Vilka nationella eller regionala åtgärder mot coronavirus är evidensbaserade?

Postat: tor 08 apr 2021, 18:45
av dann
På lördag pratar vi om #ZeroCovid kl14:00 - 17:00. Program kommer snart, några deltagare: Björn Olsen, @yaneerbaryam, Leif Bjermer, Anders Vahlne mfl. Vi pratar om olika aspekter kring #corona #pandemi. Mer detaljer snart! @vetcov19
Jan Lotvall on Twitter (April 8, 2021)