"Ljudattackerna" mot diplomater på Kuba.

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Re: "Ljudattackerna" mot diplomater på Kuba.

Post by dann » Sun 03 Jul 2022, 16:32

A new Danish translation of an article by the physics professor Bradley J. Roth:
To rapporter om Havana-syndromet: Hvilken rapport skal vi tro på?
https://www.skeptica.dk/?p=11082

Unless you know more about physics than three out of four of the Danes involved with the translation, you may be in for a surprise when it comes to the word skin depth/huddybde! :)

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Re: "Ljudattackerna" mot diplomater på Kuba.

Post by dann » Tue 12 Jul 2022, 17:30

July 21, 2022 - 7:00 pm EDT
Why Mass Hysteria is Thriving in the 21st Century - Featuring: Robert Bartholomew (Skeptical Inquirer presents)
Robert Bartholomew will discuss his investigation into ‘Havana Syndrome’ and the bad science behind it. He describes it as a myth that is a product of shoddy science, poor journalism and bad government. He will also examine the history of mass psychogenic illness (aka, ‘mass hysteria) from the strange case of the meowing nuns during the latter Middle Ages to more recent outbreaks involving hiccupping schoolgirls in Massachusetts to recent claims that Lucky Charms cereal is making people sick. Yes – mass psychogenic illness is alive and well, yet many people including medical professionals do not have an accurate understanding of the concept and incorrectly equate it with mental illness or psychological weakness.
https://skepticalinquirer.org/video/why-mass-hysteria-is-thriving-in-the-21st-century/

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Re: "Ljudattackerna" mot diplomater på Kuba.

Post by dann » Sat 23 Jul 2022, 07:16

Skeptical Inquiry's presentation of Robert Bartholomew discussing mass hysteria in general and the 'Havana Syndrome' in particular is now on YouTube (1:04:35):
Robert Bartholomew - Why Mass Hysteria is Thriving in the 21st Century (Center for Inquiry on YouTube, July 22, 2022)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKZ9uJNEv80

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Re: "Ljudattackerna" mot diplomater på Kuba.

Post by dann » Sun 14 Aug 2022, 12:26

In an interview with CIA director Burns, CIA director admits there’s no ‘Havana syndrome’ (Kawsachun News, July 21, 2022), he says ...
... that we don’t assess that a foreign player or the Russians or anyone else is behind or is responsible for a sustained global campaign on the scale of what has been reported to harm U.S. personnel with a weapon or some kind of external device. We further stated publicly several months ago that in the majority of incidents and we’ve, you know, investigated each one as thoroughly as we possibly can, and we’re still working on a number of them that, you know, you could find reasonable alternative explanations, whether it was other environmental factors or preexisting medical conditions or other kind of medical explanations.
https://kawsachunnews.com/cia-director-admits-theres-no-havana-syndrome

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Re: "Ljudattackerna" mot diplomater på Kuba.

Post by dann » Thu 01 Sep 2022, 21:11

These are not the first interviews with Robert Bartholomew and Robert Baloh. I have linked to others in the thread. But what makes these two new interviews particularly interesting is that the interviewer, Len Ber, MD, claims to suffer from 'Havana Syndrome':
Conversations with Experts: Dr. Robert Bartholomew. June --> July 27, 2022 (Len Ber MD, PSardonicus on Twitter, on YouTube- 1:07:13)
Dr. Robert Bartholomew is an expert in Mass Hysterias. He is an Honorary Senior Lecturer At the Department of Psychological Medicine, University of Auckland, New Zealand.
Dr. Bartholomew is a proponent of a hypothesis that Havana Syndrome is Mass Psychogenic Illness.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=13884853#post13884853
Conversations with Experts: Dr. Robert Baloh. August 2, 2022 (Len Ber MD, PSardonicus on Twitter, on YouTube - 48:01)
Dr. Robert Baloh is Emeritus Professor of Neurology at the School of Medicine at UCLA. He co-authored a book with Dr. Bartholomew, a medical psychologist, in which they proposed a hypothesis that Havana Syndrome is a mass psychogenic illness. We discuss the objectivity of vestibular tests used in Havana Syndrome patients in order to determine presence of injury to the organs of gravity in the inner ear.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=13884853#post13884853

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Re: "Ljudattackerna" mot diplomater på Kuba.

Post by dann » Wed 21 Sep 2022, 06:32

Conspiracyland - The Strange Story of Havana Syndrome (Yahoo News on Apple Podcasts, Sep 14, 2022)
Conspiracyland's "The Strange Story of Havana Syndrome," hosted by Yahoo News chief investigative correspondent Michael Isikoff, is an investigation into the baffling medical ailments-- headaches, dizziness, extreme fatigue and even brain injuries-- that have been reported by over 1,100 American diplomats and spies in recent years, confounding the U.S. intelligence and diplomatic communities. These symptoms are commonly known as Havana Syndrome because they were first surfaced in Cuba more than five years ago though they have long since been reported all over the world. But what and who was causing them remains a mystery. As Conspiracyland documents, the reports about Havana Syndrome were used as a political trigger to upend U.S. relations with Cuba: They set off a chain of events that led the Trump administration to reverse President Obama's efforts to normalize relations with the island nation, a rollback that has continued under President Biden. It also has led to an endless spate of news stories suggesting these health ailments were the result of targeted microwave attacks by a foreign power, with the Russian intelligence services under the control of Vladimir Putin considered the leading candidate. But as Conspiracyland reveals, the real story of Havana Syndrome is starting to look very different than it did at the time.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/conspiracyland/id1471037693
Top U.S. officials cast fresh doubt on sensational 'Havana syndrome' claims (Yahoo News, Sep 14, 2022)
... senior officials say the lack of hard evidence has made them increasingly dubious about the existence of a supposed microwave superweapon or other exotic devices that might have caused the symptoms — an emerging view that suggests the entire Havana syndrome narrative, as has been reported by much of the media for the past five years, may end up being a conspiracy theory that simply never panned out.
(...)
But Cohen (acting undersecretary for intelligence and an analyst at the Department of Homeland Security between July 2021 and April 2022), speaking publicly about this for the first time, added: "As I began to read the data, read the intelligence, read the results of the investigations and the assessment work that was being done around the world, it just became harder and harder to explain these instances as an attack. I never saw anything that was clear-cut that provided even an identification of who was doing it … or a definitive source for what was causing these symptoms."
(...)
"I'm a law enforcement person. ... I grew up in the 'Dragnet' era. You know, it's like Joe Friday said, 'Just the facts. Show me the facts.' And in this case, they never were able to."
https://news.yahoo.com/top-us-officials-cast-fresh-doubt-on-sensational-havana-syndrome-claims-090025560.html
I have mentioned the CIA interim report released in January 2022. It said that no evidence of the involvement of a foreign adversary had been found in any of the 'Havana Syndrome' cases. On the contrary, in the vast majority of the 1,100 cases all over the world CIA investigations had found other, much more mundane, causes:
https://forum.vof.se/viewtopic.php?p=747519#p747519
https://forum.vof.se/viewtopic.php?p=749282#p749282
But we never heard anything specific about the 'environmental and medical causes' they had found. The Conspiracyland presents us with some of those specifics:
The task force "left no stone unturned," said a source familiar with the group's ongoing work. CIA officers on the task force went into the field all over the world where the purported attacks took place, tearing up walls and floorboards, looking for evidence of what might have taken place. Their findings repeatedly seemed to undercut the idea that Havana syndrome was the result of hostile attacks.

In one case, in a Latin American country where an official reported hearing vibrating sound that caused pain in the ears, task force investigators found that there had been blasting musical speakers that were bouncing off walls in the building where the official was located. In another incident, the task force discovered a faulty component in a high-volume air conditioning system; in yet another, a power-charger plugged into malfunctioning wiring that resulted in electrical disturbances, which caused officials to feel pressure in the head and dizziness.

One U.S. official had reported walking down the street in an overseas country and being hit by what was described as a beam of energy that caused pain in the ears. The task force identified the likely cause: the use nearby of an ultrasonic pest repellent to target possums and rodents. Perhaps more importantly, one of the sources noted, "There is nothing that links these cases."

No pattern to the incidents or the targets was identified. As for the bottom-line conclusion, all of the task force's analysts were in agreement: There was no sign of any foreign government involvement in any of the more than 1,100 cases the agency task force investigated, including the remaining two dozen that are still under investigation. The task force "found no evidence of a foreign actor in any cases," a source familiar with the matter told Yahoo News.
So is it over now? Can we forget about the 'syndrome'?
No way! Some politicians, researchers and the alleged attack victims themselves have invested too much in the fairy tale to just let it go.
As one politician puts it in the podcast:
Rep. McGovern is frustrated that the emerging reasons for skepticism aren't getting more attention. "Maybe part of the problem is that people don't want to admit that they got it wrong at the beginning," he told "Conspiracyland."

"But we have to be honest. There has been so many conspiracy theories out there, and all those conspiracy theories have been proven to be wrong. And so, like, OK, I think we all seem to have concluded — according to the CIA director, you know — that it’s not what we thought it was originally. OK, good. Move on."
However, one thing has come out of the new revelations: Mark Zaid, the lawyer representing many of the 'Havana Syndrome victims', will make sure that his clients never refer to the cricket recordings again! :lol:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=13905166#post13905166

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